Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/23/1998 02:35 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 284                                                             
                                                                               
"An Act relating to infestations and diseases of                               
timber."                                                                       
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MARK HODGINS noted that HB 284 was an act                       
relating to infestations and diseases of timber.  The                          
legislation would amend AS 41.17.082(d) to require the                         
commissioner to implement necessary salvage measures when                      
timber on State or municipal forestland is:                                    
                                                                               
? Infested or diseased and thereby poses a                                     
significant threat to surrounding healthy timber;                              
or                                                                             
? Subjected to an environmental catastrophe, and as                            
a result, is susceptible to infestation or                                     
disease, to prevent the spread of infestation or                               
disease, the timber shall be salvaged as rapidly                               
as practical.                                                                  
                                                                               
Representative Hodgins pointed out that since 1992, the                        
spruce beetle insects have caused tree mortality and account                   
for 2.3 million-acre loss. Representative Hodgins explained                    
that the infestation occurs from a small wood-eating beetle                    
which bore into a tree, lay eggs, and then those worms gird                    
the tree.  Once the tree has been girded, the circulation of                   
nutrients is cut off and the tree dies.  This beetle does                      
not fly well, but will move with the wind, as the                              
infestation process has demonstrated.                                          
                                                                               
Representative Hodgins noted that there has been a task                        
force investigating this situation although no action has                      
occurred to date.  The problem stands that the infested                        
timber is only in good quality for a few years, then it                        
starts to loose moisture content and looses its weight.  A                     
lot of the Kenai Peninsula infested timber has been used for                   
pulp.                                                                          
                                                                               
Representative Hodgins stressed that the most important                        
concern is fire hazard because a fire in a spruce bark                         
invested area burns much hotter.  He urged that this concern                   
be scrutinized. In South Central Alaska, the statewide                         
aerial surveys mapped more than 1.1 million acres of dead                      
and dying beetle-infested spruce in 1996, which is a 61%                       
increase in the past two years.                                                
                                                                               
The legislation would mandate that the Commissioner "shall"                    
be involved with a remedy.  To begin an initiative will                        
create jobs while addressing fire suppression and public                       
safety.  Representative Hodgins advised that the most                          
important aspect of a salvage bill is the reforestation. He                    
emphasized that the forests need to be saved for future                        
generations and habitat.                                                       
                                                                               
In response to Representative Martin's concern,                                
Representative Hodgins noted that Mayor Navarre supports the                   
finding a solution for the spruce beetle concern and is                        
pushing for federal reforestation dollars.  He emphasized                      
that the bill states that the Department of Natural                            
Resources will address the spruce bark beetle infestation.                     
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies voiced concern that by replacing                      
"may" with "shall" on Page 1, Line 9, would not give the                       
commissioner any latitude to determine if it is feasibly                       
possible to control the situation.  Representative Hodgins                     
assumed that some of the regulations brought forward such as                   
the Forest Practices Act or the Reforestation Act would                        
address that concern.  He recommended that there are areas                     
in which the commissioner could waive and make a                               
determination.                                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Kelly questioned how a buffer zone of                           
diseased timber would be beneficial.  He suggested that the                    
diseased trees would eventually become dangerous, ripping up                   
the bank as they fall.  Representative Hodgins replied that                    
initially, it had been recommended that the commissioner be                    
given the discretion.  In the House Resources Committee,                       
Representative Ogan felt that was too much power to give to                    
the commissioner, consequently, he inserted language on Page                   
2, Line 19, which would allow the discretion of the                            
commissioner to be somewhat dampened.  Representative Kelly                    
believed that it would be better to give the commissioner                      
the leeway and then the foresters could decide if the trees                    
in the buffer zone should be cut or left standing.  He noted                   
that he would offer an amendment to address that concern.                      
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault asked the life cycle of the spruce                         
beetle.  Representative Hodgins replied that the bug could                     
be transmitted in many different ways, but mostly by the                       
wind.  Basically, the bugs have been hitting trees 6 inches                    
and above.  Initially, there will be little holes in the                       
tree, and then the tree will exude pitch as a defense to                       
kill the bug.  If a tree has pitch running out of it and the                   
tree is a reddish color, then it is assumed infected.  A                       
tree remains a host while it contains moisture.                                
                                                                               
Discussion followed between Representative Grussendorf and                     
Representative Hodgins regarding the inclusion of "may" or                     
"shall" and the responsibilities of the commissioner with                      
use of each.                                                                   
                                                                               
MARTHA WELBOURN, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), DEPUTY                        
DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF FORESTRY, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL                          
RESOURCES, noted that the Department of Natural Resources                      
(DNR) opposes the bill because:                                                
                                                                               
? It would not reduce the impacts of major                                     
infestations, but it would substantially increase                              
agency costs.                                                                  
? It doesn't provide effective new tools to address                            
infestations.  DNR already has the authority to do                             
emergency sales and below cost sales.  The                                     
authority to waive the Forest Practices Act (FPA)                              
notification requirements risks water quality and                              
fish habitat protection without effectively                                    
combating beetle populations.                                                  
? The Spruce Bark Beetle Task Force has nearly                                 
finished drafting its recommendations for actions                              
to respond to the beetle infestation.  Legislative                             
changes should be coordinated with Task Force                                  
recommendations.                                                               
                                                                               
Ms. Welbourn noted that HB 284 would have little or no                         
effect on large infestations because it does not address the                   
main factors that prevent control of insect outbreaks.                         
First climatic conditions play a key role in determining the                   
size of outbreaks, and are not controllable by agency                          
action.  Pests such as bark beetles occur naturally                            
throughout Alaskan forests and their population can explode                    
when weather conditions are favorable.  Second, feasible                       
salvage harvesting is limited by weak markets for low value                    
timber, funding for timber sales and reforestation, and                        
multiple use concerns about impacts of timber harvest and                      
raiding on other resources and activities.                                     
                                                                               
Ms. Welbourn pointed out that HB 284 would increase state                      
costs by requiring the State to do more intensive insect and                   
disease surveys, and to develop agreements with private                        
landowners, regardless of the private owners' interests.                       
Landowners respond to infestations in a variety of ways                        
depending on their management intent and authorities for                       
their land.  Reforestation actions after harvest also vary                     
depending on the owners' long-term intent for the land and                     
their financial situation.  It is unclear whether Section 1                    
would require the State to pay for "necessary salvage                          
measures" on private land.                                                     
                                                                               
She added that implementing the bill would be costly, since                    
it requires action statewide.  The sites are scattered                         
around the State, many in areas that are remote.  Because of                   
the land ownership patterns in Alaska, many of these                           
outbreaks cross ownership boundaries.  It is not feasible or                   
cost effective to actively fight all the outbreaks;                            
particularly in remote areas.                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault asked when the task force                                  
recommendations would be available.  Ms. Welbourn replied                      
that the short-term recommendations are currently available;                   
DNR is working with the U.S. Congress and Senator Stevens to                   
acquire federal money for approval for the task force                          
projects and implementation of the short-term                                  
recommendations.  The final recommendations will be drafted                    
on May 6th, 1998.                                                              
                                                                               
Representative Mulder asked how large were the 26 salvaged                     
sales on the Kenai Peninsula.  Ms. Welbourn replied that the                   
largest one was about 3400 acres.  There are 2 million total                   
acres infested statewide with the spruce beetle and around                     
100 thousand acres on the Kenai Peninsula.  She noted that                     
there had been responses on all sales but 2.  Representative                   
Mulder stressed the importance of the problem which exists                     
on the Kenai Peninsula and which warrants a quick response                     
soon.                                                                          
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies questioned the percentage of                          
ownership between private and State lands.  Ms. Welbourn                       
stated that the breakdown is approximately in thirds, i.e.,                    
State, federal and private.                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the Department has an                             
aggressive program to stop the infestation in these areas                      
where most of the spreading is occurring.  Ms. Welbourn                        
replied that the population of the beetles is out of control                   
and that other than clear-cutting, those areas are                             
questionable.  The ownership of the land is split.  It is                      
not possible on state lands to control what is happening on                    
adjacent lands.  In response to concerns of Co-Chair                           
Therriault, Ms. Welbourn pointed out that on all state                         
lands, the Department is overseeing reforestation.                             
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf asked if the commissioner had                       
made a determination that the spruce bark beetle was a                         
threat to the forestlands and adjacent timber owners.  Ms.                     
Welbourn replied that a determination has not been made                        
because the Department did not feel that would give them any                   
additional tools in how to respond.  Representative                            
Grussendorf asked why the Department was concerned about the                   
bill.  Ms. Welbourn noted that once a determination is made,                   
then the public assumes that the Department can control the                    
outbreak, which they can not.                                                  
                                                                               
(Tape Change HFC 98- 123, Side 2).                                             
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf reiterated that the power of the                    
determination rests with the commissioner.                                     
                                                                               
Representative Hodgins advised that the State of Alaska owns                   
approximately 2.1 million acres of land on the Kenai                           
Peninsula or approximately 20% of the total area.  Half of                     
the State land is in State parks, refuges and critical                         
habitat areas.  Of the 1.1 million acres of the public                         
domain, 439 thousand acres are forested lands.  The State                      
has selected an additional 410 thousand acres which may be                     
State owned in the future.  The estimated annual cut for the                   
forest plan for the Kenai Peninsula is 1652 acres.                             
Allowable cuts are regulated over a ten-year period.  The                      
basis of this bill is that more could be harvested.                            
                                                                               
PAMELA LABOLLE, PRESIDENT, ALASKA STATE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,                   
JUNEAU, stated that the spruce bark beetle infestation has                     
been a major concern of the Alaska State Chamber of                            
Commerce.  She noted that their resolution calls for a                         
declaration of an environmental emergency.  Since logging                      
began in the Tongess National Forest more than 40 years ago,                   
400 thousand acres has been harvested.  In nine years, the                     
spruce bark beetle has harvested over a million acres.                         
                                                                               
Ms. La Bolle advised that we have a resource being lost with                   
no economic benefit.  The spruce bark beetle is destroying                     
valuable habitat on both public and private lands,                             
diminishing property values, increasing fire risks and                         
taking resources which wildlife needs.  Ms. La Bolle urged                     
the Committee to pass the proposed legislation.                                
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt Amendment #2.  [Copy                   
on File].  Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED for the purpose of                     
discussion.  Representative J. Davies explained that the                       
amendment would clarify that the statute would be                              
interpreted the way in which the sponsor believed it to be.                    
Representative Hodgins commented that he did not have a                        
problem with the language of the amendment.  Co-Chair                          
Therriault WITHDREW the OBJECTION.  There being NO further                     
OBJECTION, Amendment #2 was adopted.                                           
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies questioned the meaning of                             
"municipal" on Page 1, Line 12.  He asked if the legislation                   
would give the State authority to "mow down" a municipal                       
forest without their consent.  Representative Hodgins                          
replied that there are a lot of municipal forests on the                       
Kenai Peninsula and when an epidemic is being controlled,                      
there would be steps taken which do not exist under normal                     
circumstances.  This must be the commissioner's prerogative.                   
Co-Chair Therriault pointed out that the language read that                    
the commissioner "shall enter into an agreement with an                        
owner or governmental agency".  The Committee agreed that                      
language clarified the concern.                                                
                                                                               
Representative Kelly WITHDREW Amendment #1.  [Copy on File].                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED a conceptual Amendment #3 to                         
Page 1, Line 12, clarifying that municipal forestland would                    
be under an agreement which is the agreement spoken to on                      
Line 9.  This would prevent the State from dictating what                      
happens on municipal land without some type of pre-existing                    
agreement.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault referenced the fiscal note and asked why                   
DNR was not indicating any revenue stream from the timber.                     
Ms. Welbourn replied that there could be a small amount of                     
revenue, although, it would probably be low cost sales                         
particularly because of the costs associated with                              
reforestation.  The most recent sales were going for $5                        
dollars per thousand board feet.                                               
                                                                               
Following Committee members voicing support of the                             
legislation, Representative G. Davis MOVED to report CS HB
284 (FIN) out of Committee with individual recommendations                     
and with the accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO                         
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                  
                                                                               
CS HB 284 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with a "do                       
pass" recommendation and with a fiscal note by the                             
Department of Natural Resources dated 4/9/98.                                  

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